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    Visited here hoping for permission to do the pillboxes around the perimeter no chance once we met up with Mr Jobsworth but we managed to do a couple of shelters and boxes on the way out.First up was PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/24): S0000673 this is on the restaurant car park that Mr R Head had no say about and is freely accessable

    Description: 29/04/1995 Hexagonal, brick skin inside and out on concrete platform. Concrete lintels and embrasures which are stepped. Y' shaped concrete pillar. [The pillbox has been repaired and is now used as a memorial to WW2, various plaques are attached to the pillbox].

    Considering the work thats gone into restoring it its been left to flood and the plaques are getting no care whatsoever


    S0000673 by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (1) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (3) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (4) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (6) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (7) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (8) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (10) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000673 (11) by codseeker, on Flickr

    Then we managed PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/24): S0000677 Out of sight of the powers

    Description: 29/04/1995 Hexagonal pillbox, brick skin inside and out on concrete platform. Concrete lintels and embrasures which are stepped. Y' shaped concrete pillar.


    S0000677 by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (1) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (2) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (3) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (4) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (5) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (7) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (8) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (10) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (13) by codseeker, on Flickr


    S0000677 (15) by codseeker, on Flickr

    Also found a couple of Stanton Shelters first was pretty easy to see :)


    Ss1 by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss1 (1) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss1 (2) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss1 (4) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss1 (5) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss1 (6) by codseeker, on Flickr

    Second is in a more "natural" setting


    Ss2 by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss2 (1) by codseeker, on Flickr




    Ss2 (2) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss2 (3) by codseeker, on Flickr


    Ss2 (4) by codseeker, on Flickr


    SS2 (5) by codseeker, on Flickr

    Thanks for looking

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    Nice Stanton Shelters, good work..

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    Great stuff mate i hate jobworths secerity people its not like you were doing any harm was there a control tower intact by any chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by urban phantom View Post
    Great stuff mate i hate jobworths secerity people its not like you were doing any harm was there a control tower intact by any chance
    No mate just some modern looking all glass thing full of dickheads

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    Great bit or work there on getting them, just how hard are the others to get to. BTW did you as Mr R Head if you could visit the others or was he one of those obnoxious bastards. :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by night crawler View Post
    Great bit or work there on getting them, just how hard are the others to get to. BTW did you as Mr R Head if you could visit the others or was he one of those obnoxious bastards. :)
    I asked him in my best groveling mode but he was having none of it just plain ignorant really,I'm gonna do a bit of research on the flying club see if I can get permission from higher up then go wave it in his face if I can.Not hopeful but im gonna try.The others are all easy to get at but visable from the tower

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    Perhaps you can answer this one Rich... why on earth would they build a pillbox out of bricks? I saw a video when I was in the TA called something like "Fire and Effect" and it was basically about what does and what doesn't work against small arms fire. I was staggered at how quickly even single 7.62 MM rounds from an SLR damaged a red brick wall effectively going straight through. They then turned a Gimpy (General Purpose Machine Guin) on a double wall of red brick and it was gone in like 3 or 4 bursts. We were told that they'd had a lot of problems in NI from SLR rounds penetrating people's homes through the brickwork too and in terms of the ballistic capabilities I believe the 7.62 was to all intents and purposes the same as the .303" round which was prevalent at the time of construction of your pill boxes - indeed the principle difference between .303 and 7.62 was purely that of cartridge design IE rimmed, vs rimless.

    Waddya reckon? :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by TeeJF View Post
    Perhaps you can answer this one Rich... why on earth would they build a pillbox out of bricks? I saw a video when I was in the TA called something like "Fire and Effect" and it was basically about what does and what doesn't work against small arms fire. I was staggered at how quickly even single 7.62 MM rounds from an SLR damaged a red brick wall effectively going straight through. They then turned a Gimpy (General Purpose Machine Guin) on a double wall of red brick and it was gone in like 3 or 4 bursts. We were told that they'd had a lot of problems in NI from SLR rounds penetrating people's homes through the brickwork too and in terms of the ballistic capabilities I believe the 7.62 was to all intents and purposes the same as the .303" round which was prevalent at the time of construction of your pill boxes - indeed the principle difference between .303 and 7.62 was purely that of cartridge design IE rimmed, vs rimless.

    Waddya reckon? :)
    They don't build pillboxes out of brick, they use bricks as the shuttering to keep the reinforced CONCRETE in when they pour it... ;)

    They also commonly used wood, and less commonly corrugated iron or breeze blocks. It very much depended what was available at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichCooper View Post

    S0000673 (6) by codseeker, on Flickr
    Wow the gun emplacement holes are in fantastic condition

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    Quote Originally Posted by krela View Post
    They don't build pillboxes out of brick, they use bricks as the shuttering to keep the reinforced CONCRETE in when they pour it... ;)

    They also commonly used wood, and less commonly corrugated iron or breeze blocks. It very much depended what was available at the time.
    Yeah I see where you're coming from there Krela, and that makes perfect sense, especially when you can see imprints from the shuttering on many boxes... EXCEPT when you look at picture 16 the red brick construction appears to be both the interior and the exterior with no room for concrete in between.. I would have said from looking at that pic that the entire construction is brick.
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