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    I think the first is an Aldershot Command field gunanti-tank artillery pillbox, they were unique to that area.
    Got that fro Ironsides Line.




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    Yes NC it is. Aldershot Command had some bigger guns available in the summer of 1940 and it may have been that they were designed for them. I too was at Elstead yesterday and found another of this design labelled as a Type 28 but this time with a Type 28 twenty yards away! I thought about walking up to 02538 but decided to leave it for another day!

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    Some cracking pics there, the emplacements are all in superb condition !!!
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    I've always had suspicions about these ones and it's good to see some internals that prove they aren't type 28's. However the embrasure is so large that I'm wondering if they weren't built to take a 25 Pdr? A 2 Pdr would have been lost inside one by the looks of it, and as far as I'm aware the 6 Pdr Hotchkiss would have needed a holdfast that is not in evidence. I think they should be typed as field gun emplacements anyway.
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    Nice concrete porn bud


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    nice pictures matey loving this site its really got me going ....x

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptpies View Post
    I've always had suspicions about these ones and it's good to see some internals that prove they aren't type 28's. However the embrasure is so large that I'm wondering if they weren't built to take a 25 Pdr? A 2 Pdr would have been lost inside one by the looks of it, and as far as I'm aware the 6 Pdr Hotchkiss would have needed a holdfast that is not in evidence. I think they should be typed as field gun emplacements anyway.
    Read what I said, it's documented in Ironsides Line they ar Aldershot Comand Fieldgun boxes. Dam impressive is all I can say compaired to the 28's round here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cptpies View Post
    I've always had suspicions about these ones and it's good to see some internals that prove they aren't type 28's. However the embrasure is so large that I'm wondering if they weren't built to take a 25 Pdr? A 2 Pdr would have been lost inside one by the looks of it, and as far as I'm aware the 6 Pdr Hotchkiss would have needed a holdfast that is not in evidence. I think they should be typed as field gun emplacements anyway.
    Quote Originally Posted by night crawler View Post
    Read what I said, it's documented in Ironsides Line they ar Aldershot Comand Fieldgun boxes. Dam impressive is all I can say compaired to the 28's round here.
    The embrasure in the first pic is of a similar size to M AT 601, 6-pounder gun emplacement although the entrance is definitely for a wheeled gun, And, as you say, the Hotchkiss requires a holdfast. Steel pedestal in the case of the TSL for the ones I've seen so far.

    Using the tyres for scale, I make it 3'6" (shell proof) wide side walls and 7 foot wide embrasure making the box 14 feet wide on front elevation.

    The entrance width could be measured but would need to be 8 feet for a 25-pounder, therefore wider than the embrasure. The gun is also over 15 feet long and requires a 6 man crew plus storage for about 50 rounds.

    I happily stand to be corrected but if my scaling is anywhere near right, this particular PB is too small for the 25-pounder. We certainly had them in May 1940 though. The smaller QF 6-pounder wasn't in service until 1942 and the only other available gun was the 2-pounder.

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    I'm with you on the 'type' logic as regards your DOB overlay Capn. And with respect to NC, Aldershot Command Field gun boxes is probably the regional description for a Field gun emplacement in the same way as drg. no. T.L.55 is the regional description for a TSL 6-pounder gun emplacement.

    I do find the way that Regional Commands had their own 'system within a system' very interesting though, particularly as substantial written proof exists for the Taunton line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchh View Post

    You're gonna have to measure them Winch else we won't get any sleep
    Next time im down there Munchh, hopefully in a couple of weeks.

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    I've re-typed these as field gun emplacements in the overlay, maybe next time somebody is at the NA they can dig out what weapons Aldershot Command had that may have fitted these. I don't trust the Google earth measuring tool but it puts the door at 6ft wide.
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