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    GHQ Line (Berkshire/Hampshire/Surrey/Kent)

    These defences formed part of the GHQ Line (Berkshire/Hampshire/Surrey/Kent) - West - East section of GHQ Line running from Reading through Hampshire and West Surrey to Kent (Leigh) following in part a line south of the North Downs.

    Couple of links I found on the net.
    http://homepage.virgin.net/martin.fa.../pillboxes.htm
    http://www.shepheard.plus.com/sds/

    For the last few weeks Ive been working in and around Guildford, So while I was down here I thought I would put my spare time to good use, starting with Elstead, Surrey. West of the A3.
    Found some info about Shellproof Gun-houses for Anti-tank and Field Guns - Type 28
    Although pillboxes in the group Type 28 follow similar guidelines, each individual pillbox is different. This diversity can be seen by differences in wall thickness, the amount of rifle loops, the materials used for construction, camouflage and other modifications such as shutters and blast walls. The construction of pillboxes required a casing to allow the concrete to be poured and dried in shape, this process is known as shuttering. When built the concrete may be shuttered with wooden boards, corrugated iron sheets or bricks. When shuttered with brick, the shuttering was often left on the outside of the concrete casing, as it would have been inefficient to remove the mould. This added an extra layer to the pillboxes created in this way, often making them appear as made from bricks alone. It was realised that the pillboxes would be required to withstand artillery and dive-bomber attacks and so many pillboxes were made shellproof by increasing the thickness of the walls.

    The Type 28 is usually a rectangular shaped shellproof pillbox designed as a gun-house for anti-tank weaponry. The Type 28 usually consisted of a large embrasure to the front for an anti-tank weapon and several smaller loopholes suitable for rifles and light machine guns to the sides and rear of the pillbox. These pillboxes would have been equipped with a single two or six pounder anti-tank gun. Type 28 pillboxes would usually be placed as part of a defensive network to help compensate for the smaller field of fire. The Type 28’s flaw was that there were no forward facing small arms loopholes and a quite restricted field of fire to the sides, leaving the Type 28 vulnerable to enemy infantry attacks. To counter this, modifications were made to the Type 28 design to help produce the Type 28a.

    Ive already passed on the corrections on to cptpies which I have used blue pin's to high-light where the pillboxes actually are on the D.O.B. Google earth image.



    PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/28): S0002538






    Cracking view.


    Hooks for the camo nets still intact.




    PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/22): S0010195












    PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/22): S0002535






    PILLBOX (TYPE FW3/28): S0011728











    Spotted these on the way back which were a extra bonus.
    ANTI TANK BLOCK: S0010121 Location: Nr. Ockford railway bridge, Godalming.


    More pic's can be found here
    http://s971.photobucket.com/albums/a...cpZZ1QQtppZZ24

    Thanks for looking.

    Winch



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    Hey nice work there, Not been down the neck of the woods though skoyen89 has you need to check out his flickr photo's. Do like the first one and the benchmark you have a photo of (it's not an MOD mark) Great work there.

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    Great set of pics.A nice start to the day

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    Very good use of your spare time Winch, nice report. No doubt the Capn will be changing the first one to a gun emplacement.
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    concrete porn this early on a Saturday morning... go on then lol. Cracking stuff as usual mate am loving that first gun emplacement

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    Those type 28s look more like 6pdr emplacements to me. They're not even vaguely built to the FW3/28 design.

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    Nice one winch that's a good collection and fine photos.Th e bench mark looks like an ordnance survey mark to me.The link on the shepheard plus link to Surrey's sea wall is well worth a look.
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    They’re definitely not 28’s. They’re Gun emplacements for Ordnance QF 2-pounder field guns. They almost certainly would have had at least one secondary open field position. The large entrance is evidence of a wheeled gun.

    In the case of the Taunton stopline, we have some well documented original records which reveal much about the infrastructure, tactical thinking and logistics of a Stopline/ATI. The guiding principles of defence were common to all stoplines

    The TSL artillery proposals, type and deployment is simplified thus for comparison;

    1) Fixed 6 pounders (probably Hotchkiss – there are two that fit, short and long barreled) in shellproof gun emplacements on firmly rooted steel pedestals. Not the most effective anti tank gun but we used what we had. As these were fixed mounting, there was no need for a large entrance. The idea was to bang off as many shells as possible at something like a road block under attack from an invasion force. It was inevitable that its position would soon be spotted and targeted. Wherever there was a 6-pounder emplacement there would also be 2-pounder field guns in support. For the entire TSL, this was two Regiments of 48 2-pounders each.

    2) QF 2 pounder field guns in both Type 28 and open field positions. Effective against light to medium armour.

    Both weapons could have been employed in these boxes, but from the pics the 2-pounder is more likely.
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    Thanks Guy's for your comments.

    Munchh thankyou for the info, tbh I thought most type 28's come in pairs, I think cptpies will be updating more on the D.O.B.,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winch It In View Post
    Thanks Guy's for your comments.

    Munchh thankyou for the info, tbh I thought most type 28's come in pairs, I think cptpies will be updating more on the D.O.B.,
    You're welcome Winch.

    Funnily enough, Skoyen89 queried the similar ones at Elstead on a PSG thread I replied to a while back of which Steve is aware. So he won't be too surprised (pleased, I'd imagine) to find more rogue 28's...............ongoing corrections and all that.

    Good work on bringing these further into the light.
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