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    Another place I've had pinned for ages but I thought it had been flattened so never given it another thought until it popped up elsewhere.

    This is a pretty grim place, the scene of a double murder, and a dog breeding operation that kept the breeding pairs in utterly horrible conditions whilst the cute little puppies were sold off to unsuspecting members of the public. I hope anyone reading this who is thinking of buying a dog takes note. I am not saying all breeders are like this, but some are.

    Some dark history pillaged and edited from elsewhere:

    Keepers Cottage was the former home of John Lowe a puppy "farmer" and now convicted murderer. It was at this home in a sleepy corner of the Surrey countryside where John Lowe murdered Christine and Lucy Lee in February 2014, despite Surrey police removing Mr Lowe's guns from him over a previous threat he made to someone and they were returned to him 7 months prior to him using one of them to commit the double murder, the IPCC criticised Surrey Police decision to return the guns in their report and I believe the Police officers involved resigned following the report.

    Despite being the main reason why people will remember Keepers Cottage the tragic stories did neither start or end in 2014, from some research into this place there was a history of animal abuse/negelct going back to 2004 when BBC Inside out investigated John Lowe which ended with his breeding licence being revoked, he was convicted of breeding animals without a licence a year later.

    The saga continued when the daughter of Christine, and sister of Lucy Lee was convicted of unlawfully obtaining 107,950 from the bank accounts of Susanna Wilson, John Lowe's long term partner prior to meeting Christine.


    Another solo mooch, I didn't expect to see anyone else there but I scared the crap out of two younger guys when I walked through the door. Very sorry about that but it was nice to meet you both!







































































































    Thankfully the horrible old bastard will rot and die in jail as the remainder of his sentence is longer than the rest of his life expectancy.

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    Seen this pop up on youtube, much better to see photos of it. Interesting post, thanks
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    Places and people like that exist because the puppy and kitten buying public ignore, forget, or do not know the basic rule of pet acquisition from a large scale breeder - inspect the puppy with its' litter mates and parents at the breeder's establishment. When you buy from the occasional breeder of working breeds - basically a person who has a litter from their working bitch to provide them with a couple of pups, to train on, and is selling any extra pups - you visit the breeder's house to see the pup/pups and thus see the breeding conditions etc. 'Been there, done that', in the 55 years I have been 'owned' by my Working Cocker Spaniels. I also insisted on delivering the pups to their new owners in person. In four instances, having seen the disgusting conditions they were going to be kept in, I refused the sale and reported the people involved.

    For people thinking of dog ownership for the first time, I would suggest they consider taking a grown animal from a rescue centre, rather than a puppy. In many cases these well trained dogs end up in these centres because their elderly owners have died, they make wonderful companions. Rant and ad for rescue centres over - just something very dear to my heart!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirus_Strictus View Post
    Places and people like that exist because the puppy and kitten buying public ignore, forget, or do not know the basic rule of pet acquisition from a large scale breeder - inspect the puppy with its' litter mates and parents at the breeder's establishment. When you buy from the occasional breeder of working breeds - basically a person who has a litter from their working bitch to provide them with a couple of pups, to train on, and is selling any extra pups - you visit the breeder's house to see the pup/pups and thus see the breeding conditions etc. 'Been there, done that', in the 55 years I have been 'owned' by my Working Cocker Spaniels. I also insisted on delivering the pups to their new owners in person. In four instances, having seen the disgusting conditions they were going to be kept in, I refused the sale and reported the people involved.

    For people thinking of dog ownership for the first time, I would suggest they consider taking a grown animal from a rescue centre, rather than a puppy. In many cases these well trained dogs end up in these centres because their elderly owners have died, they make wonderful companions. Rant and ad for rescue centres over - just something very dear to my heart!
    I am absolutely 100% with you on rescueing animals and very respectful of you for your way of working with your dogs. We have an Irish Greyhound and a Spanish Podenco, both of whom have been through a hellish life and are now the most loving fatheful companions we could ask for, all because they have experienced love and family life for the first time, and more importantly a routine. It’s a joy skipping past the annoying puppy stage! It’s amazing how they go from nervous skittish wrecks to confident and attention seeking friends so quick. They say you can’t teach an old dog new tricks but that is nonsense. These two are bloody smart hounds and learn stuff very quickly. Even the Spaniard has a basic understanding of English commands already and he has only been in the country since July and we got him in August!

    I chose my words carefully in my post, I didn’t want to rant on too much, but thank you so much for posting that up. The Greyhound was an emotionless entity when he was picked up, he only showed fear and panic or just nothing for years, now he is 9 years old and has reverted to the puppy years he never got to experience and he is the most playful and affectionate dog I have ever met. So we have a fully grown puppy who does what he is told and doesn’t make a mess in the house! I’ll take that any day over an annoying little bundle of fluff!

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    I would have thought this would have been flat by now, demo plans went in early last year!

    Either way, lovely shots of the place, seems to capture the mood!
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    I remember seeing this on the news a couple of years ago and it did cross my mind if it would end up being explored! You have created a worthy documentation of a very grim place, looks more like a puppy prison:( Its standard procedure for old bill to retire or go off sick once under inquiry, it resolves the issue for them as they don't need to answer any questions, I can speak from personal experience, hmmm...lol

    ...and yes rescue greyhounds make great companions
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    Nice shots, got some nice lighting going on! Weird some of the stuff has moved since my visit, place is pretty grim overall!
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    A very grim place and a sad history. I thought it would be destroyed by now as most houses where a serious crime has been committed have been, in the past, destroyed or bulldozed.
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    Wow...loads to see there. But with a cloud of sadness hanging over. Shame as it looks like a nice place.

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    Shame it could be a lovely house but cant imagine anyone ever wanting to live there, even new builds on the site would be hard to sell if people know the history!
    Great set of pics though!

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