Pontypridd Farm, May 2011

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After reading [ame="http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=16668"]Bonniemcprice's report[/ame] from last year, this farmhouse also really took hold of me and I was determined to visit it when we were next over in Wales. Unfortunately me and the missus picked the wrong day to go weather-wise - a combination of fine misty drizzle and steady winds resulted in dark and often blurry photos - however it did make the visit a bit more atmospheric.

There is little history to be found about the farm or it's last owner. Bonniemcprice discovered in [ame="http://www.derelictplaces.co.uk/main/showthread.php?t=18706"]her last visit[/ame] that the farmer was a wealthy eccentric who died two years ago with no heirs. In late 2009 planning permission was denied to convert the three main outbuildings into houses. The reasons given are that the barn is too close to the farmhouse, the coach house is in such a state of disrepair that renovation would be considered a new build, and renovating the milking parlour would not have been of a high enough standard for living accommodation and so would also have to be a new build. Additionally, the access road to the farm joins the main road at an angle, making it a hazard to enter the road, and difficult to gain access when coming from the opposite direction. I must admit, on leaving I had a hell of a job reversing my car back onto the road and then turning around (though it was muddy and my steering wheel is on the wrong side :p).

The farm is for sale at a price of £350,000, including at least 70 acres of land. But despite the wonderful views and good placement (you have such a secluded feeling despite being within a few minutes drive away from the centre of Pontypridd), it is clearly worth nowhere near that, and is at risk of sitting dormant for many more years, succumbing to the elements and the thieving scum who insist on ripping the heart out of the place.

We bumped into a jolly Scotman while we were here, who turned out to be a surveyor who was working on behalf of a client who is interested in buying. He hadn't been there long and appeared to be trying to pluck up the courage to go in. Inbetween snapping on his camera and writing notes, he was more than happy to talk, giving his opinion on the state of the place and explaining how he came to his conclusions. He showed me the side of the house, which had a very visible dark line snaking down from the roof to the base, suggesting problems with the chimney. He pointed out the dry rot that was in every room - like large shiitake mushrooms sprouting from the walls. He said that in his eyes, the place was pretty worthless as renovation would cost another £350k, and so he'd recommend that the price is lowered and that everything should be demolished. I asked him if it was the worst property he had ever seen, and he thought for a moment and said that it was not the worst, but certainly up there.

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The track between the road and the farmhouse is approx 400 metres long and drops downhill by about 45 metres. It is becoming a bit of a dumping ground, with all kinds of random objects strewn across the track and, to a certain extent, into the surrounding fields. Overhead the powerlines span from enormous pylons, which emit a loud buzzing noise (presumably only when it's wet).

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The rear of the farmhouse. Not a single pane of glass has survived and most of the slate from the roof is missing.

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The front of the farmhouse. Furniture has been thrown out onto the lawn, and partially set on fire. Some of the stuff is probably antique. It has come from the left front room, which has been completely stripped of the floorboards.

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The 'porch' has had brand new uPVC door and windows fitted - so new even the protective film was still in place - but all the glass has been smashed out.

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The right front room.

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The cellar (underneath what I referred to as the 'left front room'). This room has probably never received so much natural light.

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The back room. There was half a fridge in here as well as a back door, and was next to a larder, so I assume that this was a kitchen area.

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We tested the stairs and decided it was safe to continue. The bottom step and the floor around the base of the stairs are very dodgy. Upstairs the floors are not great, and it will take a brave soul to go completely into the bedrooms as the sky is visible through the ceilings.

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This is the room with the enormous crack that you can see at the front of the house. The window frame is no longer supported at the bottom.

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There is a horrendous smell upstairs. The surveyor said that it was dry rot, but to me it was stronger than that. I went into one of the bedrooms and found the 'infamous' bed. Presumably made of straw or animal hair or something, it is now utterly rancid and covered in guano and godknows what else.

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The coach house was probably derelict while the owner lived here, and was probably just used for storage. Downstairs is full of bags of decaying wool. Neither me or the surveyor felt that it was safe to attempt to go upstairs as the stairs felt very spongy. The rear half of the building has virtually disappeared, and looking at Google Maps it appears to have been this way for some time. The surveyor mentioned that he had seen a report saying that it was 'structurally sound', so he was a bit surprised to find it now in this state.

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We can only imagine that this red brick building is the milking parlour. It has collapsed only recently - on the estate agent's website, it was shown as whole, but they removed the picture after they realised that the building was no more. I am wondering if perhaps a tree fell on it during a storm (though if that was the case, the tree has now been removed).

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Littered around the farm track is evidence of idiocy. There are a few luggage bags, including this one (unfortunately not very well pictured) bag that has broken that is has slate falling out of it. I guess that some thieving gits come up the farm and load up the bags with slate, and this one broke before they could make their escape.

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Older photos of the coach house and Google Maps show a white Ford Escort van outside. Since then the van has disappeared, but there are bits of it strewn all over the place. By the milking parlour are the seats and the ceiling liner, and further up are teh remains of it's horn, indicator and badge.

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All around the lower parts of the farm were these bizarre lumps in the grass. They are like molehills, but the moles would have to be enormous to make these kinds of hills. Anyone got a clue what they are?

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The final picture is the view that would have been enjoyed from the landing of the farmhouse. I love this place and I really think it deserves saving, but unfortunately even a lottery winner might struggle to spend this sort of their windfall on what is effectively a plot of farmland.

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Superb images here. Shame this place is so derelict. Looks like it would have been a nice little farm back in its time! Thanks! :)
 
What a stunning view; if I had £1m I'd be in there. Some of the buildings look really quite falash, not just ultilitarian; I guess this farm had some proper money 100 years ago.
 
If Ever I win the lottery,what an atmospheric place.Regarding the lumps in the field what you have there is an antscape.Yup hundreds of ants nests a sign of land that is unspoilt. unploughed. unsprayed,just used for grazing probably originally by sheep but now I guess rabbits.If you wandered around the house you probably got dry rot spores on your shoes best to give em a good wash before you go anywhere as it spreads really easily.
 
I bet this place would of been lovely back in the day.

What a stunning view!

Thanks for sharing :)
 
Oh Well Done BP,
What a wonderful place you got to see, your report and pics were first class, I enjoyed them immensely, Thanks.
PS
I think Oldscrote is correct, they are anthills, and you don’t get too many of em nowadays due to ploughing and over use of insecticides.
 
So glad you got down there! Your a brave soul to go upstairs! Can't believe how much it has changed in less then a year! I was talking to some locals in Pontypridd the other day and there is a massive problem with the stealing of slate around here, explains the state of the roof! Did you see the horses? X
 
Two curiosities: why was one wall of the stone walled building then covered with hanging slates? Extra weather protection? And those giant 'molehills'. The very randomness of them is strange. Digging with a spade or fork might reveal something. Their distinct shapes suggest quite recent origin; while they look firm. Hardly mini-tumuli. What other animals might have caused them? What might the farmer have dumped there. Was it just one field, or several?
 
why was one wall of the stone walled building then covered with hanging slates?
Ugly as sin isn't it! It's very common in areas where the local building stone the house is made of is very porous. We had a farm house for a while which was constructed in 1660 from local sandstone excavated literally a hundred yards from the building and rain would pass straight through it. Even modern chemicals in a full render barrier finished with pebbledash failed to prevent the water coming in so we were faced with resorting to slating, but we sold up and moved instead. :)
 
Ugly as sin isn't it! It's very common in areas where the local building stone the house is made of is very porous. We had a farm house for a while which was constructed in 1660 from local sandstone excavated literally a hundred yards from the building and rain would pass straight through it. Even modern chemicals in a full render barrier finished with pebbledash failed to prevent the water coming in so we were faced with resorting to slating, but we sold up and moved instead. :)
Considering Bath stone is sandstone, it goes to show there are many different types of sedimentary rock. Slating a wall does create a crude cavity, but hardly heat conserving.

As for the hillocks in the field, this from 2011: "Regarding the lumps in the field what you have there is an antscape.Yup hundreds of ants nests a sign of land that is unspoilt. unploughed". Hence the irregularity. Perhaps a spade or fork would bring thousands of them to the surface.
 
Two curiosities: why was one wall of the stone walled building then covered with hanging slates? Extra weather protection? And those giant 'molehills'. The very randomness of them is strange. Digging with a spade or fork might reveal something. Their distinct shapes suggest quite recent origin; while they look firm. Hardly mini-tumuli. What other animals might have caused them? What might the farmer have dumped there. Was it just one field, or several?
The tile hung wall is to try to keep out penetrating damp [no cavities in them days] The lumps in the field are anthills.

john..
 
Considering Bath stone is sandstone,

My dad did his apprenticeship as a stone mason in Bath. He used to tell me that they could cut Bath Stone with a saw it was so soft, but then after exposure to the elements it would harden dramatically in a very short time. Dunno why. He worked on one of the houses in the famous Georgian Crescent which was so high they had three big ladders lashed together to reach the roof and by the time they were onto the third set they were actually climbing "outwards".

The stone is quarried in and around Corsham not very far from Bath in a proper maze of tunnels, some of which were converted during the war to be a massive underground ammunition storage facility. It is still there and the main London to Bath railway had a set of points diverting trains off the main line and into sidings for "Farleigh Down" where the ammunition was shifted on or off. The sidings go underground on a rack and pinion track into a sort of clearing yard and then the individual crates were sent off along an endless conveyor belt into the store. After the war it was converted into a secure storage area for valuable goods where people could "inter" anything they chose to at a price. As far as I know the storage facility is still operating. We did an exploration of the mine many years ago and came to a long corridor with huge steel doors at the end where you could hear the fans of the air circulation system running. At the other end at Farleigh Down you could walk into the corridor and wander along side the conveyor belt until it reached a dead end the other side of which is the storage facility.

After his time in the trenches in WW1 Pte. Harry Patch (the last WW1 veteran) lived in the area of the quarries; indeed he is buried in a lovely church cemetery not far away at all, and he became very familiar with the maze of tunnels to the point where he was often called upon to guide people through them.

I did reports on both places in here but it was so long ago I doubt you would find them. They are still on my own website however at:

Farleigh Down ammunition store railway sidings (Farleigh Down sidings)

Box Quarry (Box Bath Stone Quarry)

Hope this is of interest.
 
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My dad did his apprenticeship as a stone mason in Bath. He used to tell me that they could cut Bath Stone with a saw it was so soft, but then after exposure to the elements it would harden dramatically in a very short time. Dunno why. He worked on one of the houses in the famous Georgian Crescent which was so high they had three big ladders lashed together to reach the roof and by the time they were onto the third set they were actually climbing "outwards".

The stone is quarried in and around Corsham not very far from Bath in a proper maze of tunnels, some of which were converted during the war to be a massive underground ammunition storage facility. It is still there and the main London to Bath railway had a set of points diverting trains off the main line and into sidings for "Farleigh Down" where the ammunition was shifted on or off. The sidings go underground on a rack and pinion track into a sort of clearing yard and then the individual crates were sent off along an endless conveyor belt into the store. After the war it was converted into a secure storage area for valuable goods where people could "inter" anything they chose to at a price. As far as I know the storage facility is still operating. We did an exploration of the mine many years ago and came to a long corridor with huge steel doors at the end where you could hear the fans of the air circulation system running. At the other end at Farleigh Down you could walk into the corridor and wander along side the conveyor belt until it reached a dead end the other side of which is the storage facility.

After his time in the trenches in WW1 Pte. Harry Patch (the last WW1 veteran) lived in the area of the quarries; indeed he is buried in a lovely church cemetery not far away at all, and he became very familiar with the maze of tunnels to the point where he was often called upon to guide people through them.

I did reports on both places in here but it was so long ago I doubt you would find them. They are still on my own website however at:

Farleigh Down ammunition store railway sidings (Farleigh Down sidings)

Box Quarry (Box Bath Stone Quarry)

Hope this is of interest.
And the A4 road bridge over the railway at Box and Box Tunnel were both constructed using Bath stone. The old underground ammo dump is now a very secure store for who-knows-what. It is still possible to walk the length of the underground cut-and-cover tunnel that housed the conveyor belt that replaced the overhead (and obviously visible from the air) steel wire ropeway. Network Rail destroyed much of the remains of the loading docks where the ammo was transferred between the standard gauge wagons and the two foot gauge ones that took shells, etc down or up the crawler track incline that connected with the short tracks that led to the start of the conveyor. That was when the electrification of the line from Paddington was still going to go to Bristol.

Curiously, the red roofed shed that stil covers the transfer dock reminded me of a similar shed in the serial in the Eagle comic The Secret of the Mine, set during WWII. In the story, a similar shed hides where a quarry railway goes underground. The location is the coast of Morocco, with the underground railway going as far as below the naval harbour of Gibraltar. The plot is that Germans are planning to fill the end of the tunnel with explosives, setting them off to sink or cripple the Royal Navy ships in the harbour. Of course, they get foiled. I still think that the author worked at the Farleigh Down ammo dump or knew of it, to write the story.
 
That's fascinating and I think you are probably right, there's just too much of a coincidence isn't there!
Some decades ago, I tried following up the author's name - Ronald Syme - but with no success. I've tried with those involved with the Eagle today- there is quite a large following for items in the original comic - but no luck there either. I have just looked online, and Syme was with the Eagle from the first issue in April 1950.

I obtained from the British Newspaper Archive in Colindale, north London a scan of one of the episodes of the serial. It shows the shed in the quarry, with a loco going into it. The downward incline of the track inside the shed is obvious. I will try to attach the same scan of the whole episode, and of just the shed.
 

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