Limpet; Before any Mod's get to feel we're drifting a bit from Topic to personal chat here, I'll just try to soothe them with a point that I'd forgotten to mention in my last post; The 'correct' name for the hanging mechanism in the fireplaces here.
Fact is, my Great Grandmother was an
Irish Gypsy and she married an
English one. Therefore all their children were brought up learning a strange concoction of
Gaelic,
Anglo Romanes (vocabulary of British Gypsys) and some of the
Irish Gypsys language, the name of which has escaped me.
Bear with me now; This might take some working through, let alone explaining ..... See, one of her last surviving daughters ~ my Great Aunt ~ once mentioned the " Kiddlecrane " to me. Explaning that that's the thing one hung the pot, or kettle, over the fire with.
Ok. Now we next have to absorb the fact that by no means All Gypsys lived 'On The Road' fifty two weeks of the year. Many were in the habit of holing up, for winter, in cheap, rented accommodation. This further queers the pitch for a definitive statement. Ye see, she'd not only have
words from Four different languages, for every day things. She'd also have two different
Concepts.
To best explain this, let's take the very
Fireplace this whole discussion is based on. In Anglo Romanes, a " Fire " is known as a
Yog. Probably more specifically a
camp fire. But that's the word used for " Fire ", regardless.
Now, this isn't a 'Teach Yeself Gypsy' lesson. So; There's a Gypsy word
and a Gypsy term, in English, for the hooked bar one drives into the earth to hang a kettle from, over the camp fire. And none of them is " Kiddlecrane ". So, it doesn't look like an Anglo Romani word.
I honestly know only about two or four words of the Irish Gypsys tongue. None of those concerns us here. Oh, and I know about as much Gaelic. You, I know, are quite up on that. The plot thickens.
Not in the OED, I'd guess? Not Romani. If it's Gaelic? You obviously don't recognise it. That leaves us only the
Irish Gypsy language. Maybe that's it? A word she learned from her Mother? Sounds like a case cracked wide open, doesn't it?
Only I've ~ in a past life! ~
Read the Irish Gyspsys talk. I.e, seen some written down. Believe me; It's as incomprehensible to me as Romanes would be to you. Complete and utter gibberish ~ to me. But then, I hear it might be based on 'Shelta', a form of Gaelic? Which would also be, obviously, 'gibberish' to me.
Sort of working through this as I type it, mate. Stick with it, please ..... It's the " .....
crane " bit that gets me. Doesn't that, for all the world, conjure up the image of something that swings about, with a load at the end of it? Just like the Tower Cranes on modern construction sites? Just like the " Kiddlecrane " ( Kiddle Crane? I'm spelling mine phonetically) swings out from the fireplace, carrying the kettle?
Even " Kettle " .....
Kettle Crane simply makes sense, doesn't it? Might " Kiddle " be some bastardisation of " Kettle "? Only my Great Aunt called a Kettle a " Kettle " and a " Kiddlecrane " just that.
Damn, my head hurts!
Limpet? I think, if ye just refer to that thing as a " Kettle Crane ", no one's going to argue with ye. In fact, I was explaining about 'my' " Kiddlecrane ", with the kettle still on there, to Pat, just the other day. Ye know how people sort of half look at ye, half study the road, as they listen to ye? Occassionally nodding their understanding and encouragement to carry on?
Well, as I stumbled over the term " Kiddlecrane ..... if ye know what I mean by that. Term I know it by ... " Pat sort of gave that almost imperceptible nuance of expression that said, " Mm. I know what ye talking about. Carry on ..... "
Maybe I should just ask Pat? This needs sorting. Damn things'll crop up all the time in our posts, no doubt. Can't go on explaining and confusing like this.
{Now, on a more personal level; Yes, mate. Blowing a tin tester here, much of the day and looks set to blow all night! Rain with much of it!
Will we get a hay harvest This year???
Camera? Of course, ye stuck with ye phone, aren't ye? I've just bought an Olympus U1040. £150. Takes what I show, and I haven't got a clue how to really use it yet. I just press different buttons and take the same shots. Sort them out at home. Tiny little thing ye can take Everywhere. You're young enough to suss one out properly. Make the most of it. Bet ye'd get some amazing shots with one.
I remember something ye once said, about a shot gun, when I was wanting .....
Fancy one of these?
(Cheers, Mods. We can take this to e mail now
)
Thank you.}