Thank you for the infomation. I definatly going to go back for the ones ive missed. Do you know if the Anderson shelter is still there? I spent a while talking to the landowners who said they thought it had gone.
M25 outer ring - A1 to M11.
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Thank you for the infomation. I definatly going to go back for the ones ive missed. Do you know if the Anderson shelter is still there? I spent a while talking to the landowners who said they thought it had gone.
Moving on past a couple that i plan to return to when i get a chance we come to Pillbox Type 22 S000577 which is fenced in as its right next to a railway line:
Next to this is Anti Tank Block S0012138:
I then went looking for Type 27 S0012139 and the anti tank hairpin but the area is so overgrown. I was also unable to locate the anti tank block nearby.
We then move along to Anti Tank Hairpin S0002393 which i missed the first time and had to ask some locals, the description of a concrete block put me in the right spot:
Is this part of it?
Moving along i went looking for the Type 27 in the field nearby but i was unable to get to it. Some locals confirmed it is still there.
Then we come to another Type 27 without a number on a back lane, there was no internal acsess sadly:
Just along the track we come to another Type 27 and anti Tank block without a number, internal acsess was granted by a very freindly land owner:
Rear embasure:
Moving down the lane south we come to another Type 27 with no number, again no acsess was possible:
Then we come to the Anti Tank Block in Bumbles Green, theres loads here but alot are hidden, i counted 20 but there must be more:
I left out the few in the park area between these and the M11, i will go back for these.
Next to this is Anti Tank Block S0012138:
I then went looking for Type 27 S0012139 and the anti tank hairpin but the area is so overgrown. I was also unable to locate the anti tank block nearby.
We then move along to Anti Tank Hairpin S0002393 which i missed the first time and had to ask some locals, the description of a concrete block put me in the right spot:
Is this part of it?
Moving along i went looking for the Type 27 in the field nearby but i was unable to get to it. Some locals confirmed it is still there.
Then we come to another Type 27 without a number on a back lane, there was no internal acsess sadly:
Just along the track we come to another Type 27 and anti Tank block without a number, internal acsess was granted by a very freindly land owner:
Rear embasure:
Moving down the lane south we come to another Type 27 with no number, again no acsess was possible:
Then we come to the Anti Tank Block in Bumbles Green, theres loads here but alot are hidden, i counted 20 but there must be more:
I left out the few in the park area between these and the M11, i will go back for these.
mmm doors in situ .. I like doors 
my wife thinks I'm sad - I have no idea why
my wife thinks I'm sad - I have no idea why 
It's still there. If you get back to the line of painted AT blocks then head over to the right it is sat in the field close to the back of one of the storage sheds. It is fairly dilapidated but that adds the interest. This time of year it might not be visible enough to photograph as it was in rough ground but give it a go.
onthebusescrazy
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Brillant find and fantastic piccys thank you
If you locate that MG emplacement let me know exactly where is is mate as i have been up there so many times and failed to find it.
Watch this space, im going to return for definate.
The MG emplacement? is this the one listed as being on tanfield stud farm in cheshunt?
if so theres a bit of confusion where info on this is concerned, the DOB entry shows a pic of the bofors tower at waltham abbey, there was a unusual low lying pillbox type structure on the farm at one time, it was demolished when the modern housing development was biult there, however if you drive up the entrance road and park opposite the yard on the right, in front of you is a footpath, start to walk down it and keep looking at the field on the left, there is some concrete showing wich seems to be in the shape of a gun pit.
could this be the ilusive MG emplacement.
you can just make out the shape in the google earth screengrab below
This is what used to be at tanfield before it was developed
http://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=MHT1909&resourceID=1008
if so theres a bit of confusion where info on this is concerned, the DOB entry shows a pic of the bofors tower at waltham abbey, there was a unusual low lying pillbox type structure on the farm at one time, it was demolished when the modern housing development was biult there, however if you drive up the entrance road and park opposite the yard on the right, in front of you is a footpath, start to walk down it and keep looking at the field on the left, there is some concrete showing wich seems to be in the shape of a gun pit.
could this be the ilusive MG emplacement.
you can just make out the shape in the google earth screengrab below
This is what used to be at tanfield before it was developed
http://www.heritagegateway.org.uk/Gateway/Results_Single.aspx?uid=MHT1909&resourceID=1008
Kerpow!! and thanks.
no worries, I did not go into the field and take any pics of the exposed concrete as at the time of my visit, there was a mare and fowl in there, and I did not fancy getting my arse kicked by an angry mummy horse
no worries, I did not go into the field and take any pics of the exposed concrete as at the time of my visit, there was a mare and fowl in there, and I did not fancy getting my arse kicked by an angry mummy horse
Hehe i have a plan here in the form of a permission visit with the landowner whos keen to learn more.
I made a return visit yeserday but the landowner was not about but speeking to someone else who lives there they think the MG emplacement has gone but the other two pillboxes nearby are still there. Another trip out i feel is needed.
I made it over the field this time to Anti Tank Block S0016689 and Type 22 S0005065 with help and permission from a very freindly and helpfull land owner who had even cleared away all the brambles for me, the overlay is incorrect as these are next to each other in the position of the AT blocks. I can confirm there are three blocks laying the other side of the pillbox as the database reports:
And the three blocks on the far side:
I had a quick look into the field for the Anti Tank blocks S0005063 but i coulndt see them and the light was fading fast.
Moving back up the road we come to Type 22 S0005054 again acsessed with permission of some lovely land owners:
I made it over the field this time to Anti Tank Block S0016689 and Type 22 S0005065 with help and permission from a very freindly and helpfull land owner who had even cleared away all the brambles for me, the overlay is incorrect as these are next to each other in the position of the AT blocks. I can confirm there are three blocks laying the other side of the pillbox as the database reports:
And the three blocks on the far side:
I had a quick look into the field for the Anti Tank blocks S0005063 but i coulndt see them and the light was fading fast.
Moving back up the road we come to Type 22 S0005054 again acsessed with permission of some lovely land owners:
Those AT blocks you were looking for were pretty hidden initially as you cross the next field. Sat in the line of the hedges but if you get there next time there is a line of them that extend out into the open. The brick shuttering on the blocks next to S0005062 are something i have not come across since. The internals on the pillboxes you visited are all tidy.
if they have no slots which would make them roadblock pattern blocks those blocks on the far side look like narrower versions of Sussex pattern ATBs which were often incorrectly described as AT Coffins in the DoB - they seem to be a little lost
nice camouflaged roof profile on the type 22 to break up the straight lines ... in return for being accommodating someone should offer some gentle advice about contemporary field guns with the owner... although I guess you'd have to be a certain type of landscape gardener to include a 25 pdr in a garden scheme
nice camouflaged roof profile on the type 22 to break up the straight lines ... in return for being accommodating someone should offer some gentle advice about contemporary field guns with the owner... although I guess you'd have to be a certain type of landscape gardener to include a 25 pdr in a garden scheme
if they have no slots which would make them roadblock pattern blocks those blocks on the far side look like narrower versions of Sussex pattern ATBs which were often incorrectly described as AT Coffins in the DoB - they seem to be a little lost
nice camouflaged roof profile on the type 22 to break up the straight lines ... in return for being accommodating someone should offer some gentle advice about contemporary field guns with the owner... although I guess you'd have to be a certain type of landscape gardener to include a 25 pdr in a garden scheme
Trust me i did pull the land owners leg about the choice of gun for that pillbox and we had a good laugh about it. Aparently they keep it in very good order since they moved in after having to clear it and i think it looks rather nice in their pristine garden overlooking the lake.
I'm just jealous
I'm just jealous
Why? If i may ask.
having a PB in the garden would be great, I doubt my wife would agree though
krela
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Damn right, if I ever have a garden big enough I'm having a T24 pillbox, a Bofors and a 3.5" AA gun in it.
